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May 29, 2011

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Shlarl

"I do know that the author of that French phrase thought at least as hard about the nature of reality as Sean Carroll has, and that if the phrase is not true its untruth will not be established by appeal to the current state of physical science. It is not up to the physical scientists, in other words, to refute it, and still less is it up to them to dismiss it"

That will stick in my mind for a while.

Dave Hilditch, Ph.D.

Prof Smith, You've hit the nail on the head in calling attention to the background belief that "science is awesome" and has "universal authority." This frees us from having to recognize and investigate our own assumptions, and is a recipe for the sort of hubristic overreach of which Carrol is guilty. Philosophers aren't immune to this tendency either (e.g., Noe's claims about "the background" Re: rationality of belief in an afterlife are simply false). One cause of this has to be the loss of that spirit of curiosity you write about in The Stone. The objective correlate of this is the thinning out of our sense of problem domains and contexts, and a lack of depth in understanding intellectual history. How can this not contribute to a narrowing of our conceptual imaginations?

Gabriel Bergevin-Estable

Funny how a physicist would probably never pretend knowing about all there is to know in hair styling, but seems pretty well at ease dismissing the throngs of philosophical experts out there who have opinions on how to answer (or not to answer) philosophical questions (and which ones ARE philosophical answers). And just about no one but other philosophers would attempt at putting him in his place (way to go by the way Justin). As an academic discipline, it's hard to imagine falling much lower, unless we closed all courses in philosophy and only continued teaching the history of philosophy, like other disciplines, say, phrenology. Only teach the history of philosophy... wait no I won't go there.

Philosophy has taken a beating over the past hundred years. It's not what it once was in the public opinion or in the opinion of other academics. The word is too old, too disseminated in the culture, too often used to despise our work, and beyond our capacity as a social group to control strictly its meaning. My search on RSS feeds on yahoo pipes for the word philosophy brings up more sports news than anything else, a use of the word that has as much to do with philosophy as we do it as my painting of my kitchen walls have to do with fine arts.

I believe we need to get with the zeitgeist and execute the performative act of re-branding it. The way propaganda became public relations. I myself pitch in with the contributed suggestion of "conceptual expert", "conceptual analysis", "conceptual structure specialist", or some such alternative. Because really we can't do without concepts in academics, and even if everybody uses them, like computers or writing or the bus, no one is more aware of the options of those tools (the conceptual ones, not the mechanical ones) than philosophers are.

We still have our place to play, but the definition of our field as the study of a group of historical texts (even if it is a tradition we still inherit from) is not enough to encompass all of what we can do. While we're sticking to the musky smell of the tomes of knowledge pas that we surely appreciate more than others for several reasons, conceptual analysis is being taken up by linguistics, psychology, politics, administration, communications, public relations, mathematics, and of course, physics. And while I'd argue, and others would agree, that some of those fields are really fielding philosophical players carrying out philosophical activity, the claim can't be taken seriously, because our weight in society, our capacity as a social group to organise ourselves and to negotiate our role and to assert our power as social actors is negligible. Maybe laughable.

swampthings

Excellent article! I loved it! This is an excellent discussion of science and the future.

Doug M.


I think you're (slightly) overstating Carroll's argument. He isn't claiming that the soul must be a brain-stored substrate, nor that it must necessarily be "transferred to some other physical storage unit". His claim is a bit more general than that. If I'm reading him right, he's saying that if the soul is going to interact with the body, then since the behavior of the body -- right down to the subtle changes in the brain that we call "thought" -- are physical, the soul must be able to exert some physical influence on the body. Since we can detect no such influence, it seems unlikely that there is a soul, immortal or otherwise, independent of the physical body.

Now, there are a variety of ways to get around this. I'm not a philosopher, but I can think of a couple without breaking a sweat. But I think Carroll's point is important, and worth more than the rather huffy dismissal you're delivering here. If something we could call a "soul" exists, then the question "does it interact with the physical universe, and if so, how" is legitimate -- and legitimately within the purview of science, which after all about the observation and understanding of the physical universe.

I can see why you'd find Carroll's approach annoying. He's not even dignifying philosophy with a huffy dismissal; he's simply ignoring you. But if you're going to refute him, then perhaps you should do something more than say "you're ignoring two thousand years of philosophy!" Can you give us some examples of those "other options in the history of human thought", for instance?

Finally, I'm a bit confused by the statement "it is one thing to circumscribe the domain of permissible explanations, quite another to dismiss an entire order of explanation as false." This seems to imply you could have explanations that are not permissible, but that cannot be dismissed as false. Okay, I can think of such explanations. However, the ones I can think of share a common trait: they're all unprovable. (This may reflect my own intellectual limits, sure.) "God created the world ten seconds ago. He created me too, with perfectly consistent false memories of everything previous." That would be impermissible, but not dismissible as false. Is this the sort of thing you're thinking of? (Not trying to troll, I'm sincerely curious.)

thanks much,


Doug M.

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