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August 17, 2010

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Stephen Menn

When I was in Germany I noticed that Germans tend to speak of deconstructionism as an American movement, not a French one. And I recall a quite well-known French philosopher telling me, I think with specific reference to Derrida, "philosophy is like beer--some of it is bottled for export." The much lamented Lingua Franca (did you used to read them?) had a comment on the situation, which I'll try to reproduce roughly from memory: "It was perhaps inevitable that the philosophy of the endless deferral of meaning should find its most receptive audience in the land of the junk bond, the leveraged buyout, and the pyramid scheme, where the bottom line reads 'BREAK THIS CHAIN OF SIGNIFIERS AND YOU DIE.'"

George Gale

I knew Derrida, Derrida was a beer-drinking-friend of mine; and, Mark Taylor, you're no Derrida.

S.

Is "sociology" what they're calling the ad hominem these days?

Eric Schliesser

Justin,
Mark C. Taylor deserves all the disapprobation and ridicule you throw at him.

But...you are also throwing cheap shots at the whole of French philosophy (of the 70s and 80s) when you describe its members (without a shred of evidence) as "civil servants whose primary concern was the preservation of their own institutional status." As somebody who has read Derrida, Foucault, and Deleuze with interest and some fruitfulness I find this comment completely silly. (Even if it were true it sheds little light on the genuine insights available in their works.)

In your comments you pander to the lowest (and self-serving) instincts of analytic philosophy (which loves to cultivate this image of -- dare I say it -- otherness and un-intelligibility in opposing approaches to philosophy as a way to create its own group identity; first the British Idealists, then Heidegerians, now French philosophy). Your comments give cover to a lot of self-serving, willful ignorance and don't promote the engagement with the published ideas of the French.

Tom

I have no sympathy for Derridean obscurantism, but I don't think there's anything straightforwardly dishonorable about a "proposal to dismantle the very system that had enabled [one] to thrive". A proposal to abolish slavery by the child of slaveowners or a proposal to abolish private schools by an alumnus of Eton College wouldn't seem to me to be dishonorable at all. So, to the extent that this is the ground of your complaint about Taylor, I don't think it's a very good complaint. To the extent that the ground of your complaint is that Taylor's reasons for thinking that tenure should be abolished are bad ones, on the other hand, then fair enough.

Michael

You write about the "analysis of Chomsky and others, for whom a certain variety of philosophical obscurantism results not just from sloppiness or from lack of intellectual rigor, but is indeed an intrinsic part of its proponents' strategy for protecting their racket." I'm eager to read these analyses but am unaware of the literature. Could you point me to the pieces you had in mind?

D. Des Chene

Thanks, Eric. I saw the cheap shot, but I’m tired of answering.

Nathan Smith

I'm glad that Justin is being taken to task for some of the above. Just to pile on a bit:

I know you understand that "thinking after Hegel" does not simply mean thinking at some date that happens to appear on a calendar after the time that Hegel wrote, lived, etc. The idea of "thinking after" someone or something means thinking through, incorporating, and responding to that person or thing. So 'to think after' is to attempt to take seriously, incorporate, respond to, and move beyond a person, thinker, or event.

Now, clearly, Hegel is a significant figure to attempt to 'think after'. This is the person who wrote the Phenomenology of Spirit after all. So, it is no obvious task to "think after Hegel," and notwithstanding your impressive mental acuity and breadth of scholarship, I would wager that there are few days on which you think after Hegel in this sense. Perhaps I am wrong about this?

Cameron

Tom,

I think an analogy that better captures Taylor's move would be something like this: a proposal to abolish slavery by the child of slave owners, accompanied by an offer of employment in the only other industry in town - incidentally, a sweat shop owned by said abolitionist.

H.

What a feeble pile on!

To Nathan Smith - clearly Horace is a significant figure to attempt to "think after" too. He did, as you know, write the Satires. You've encountered satire before, no?

To 'S' - on offer here is an observation that, with judicious rewording, could become a legitimate sociological hypothesis.

To Eric - It is difficult to understand your final claim, as Justin has explicitly not made, or pandered to, the traditional analytic critique.

S.

Yes, well, "Nietzsche wore pink panties" could also presumably become legitimate sociological hypothesis, but doesn't seem like becoming one could make it relevant to Nietzsche's thought.

H.

If one were to accuse Nietzsche of wearing pink panties (what's wrong with that anyway?) in the course of debating one or another of his philosophical positions, the comment would be out of line - an ad hominem. If the discussion was about, for instance, the Italian influence on the fashion sense of German philosophers in the late 19th century, the comment would be perfectly apropos. Justin's discussion is clearly of the latter sort.

Julia

To S and H, I would venture that whether or not Nietzsche wore pink panties could be quite relevant to his work. It's not even such a silly example. Ecce Homo reads like a sociological explanation for his writing and includes mention of what he ate and his physical ailments. Nietzsche speaks often of fecundity; depending on how literally he means this, the pink panties may be a bad idea! Nietzsche lauds a cheerful, playful way of life as important to good thought, so perhaps the pink panties are an outward manifestation of his light-hearted soul!

I frankly cannot figure out why one would oppose ad hominem arguments. A philosopher's thought can far exceed his intentions and his biographical eccentricities, but both of these considerations can also shed light on his thought, especially if, as for Nietzsche, we are all the guinea pigs for our own good (and not so good) ideas.

Nathan Smith

J - Don't misunderstand: I'm not saying that one is obliged to think after Hegel, or anyone else for that matter. I'm just saying that most thought chronologically following Hegel's death doesn't think after him in the requisite way. Surely, there are others for whom this is important too. I try to "think after" Descartes most days, for instance. I consider this important.

Nathan Smith

Oops, that's H (one key to the left).

H.

Nathan,

Thanks for clarifying. I may have read you as making a stronger claim - that, given the significance of his work, we are obliged to think after/through/with Hegel. We would agree, instead, that such significance is confined to whatever self-selecting textual tradition takes Hegel as a forebearer. (Justin makes this point very clear in his follow-up post.)

Really, I'm not sure that I think after anyone in the "requisite way". I'm happy just to think 'about' Descartes or whomever.

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